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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:25:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hello I made a small announcement last night on the 1.1 live stream but I'm sure many of you missed that so I wanted to make a post to let as many of you know as possible. We've been thinking for awhile about the issue of cost to power ratio for the Sisters of EVE ships, and especially the Nestor. A lot of your feedback has been on this issue, with a large focus on how difficult it is to justify paying the price of the Nestor, and we tend to agree. There are a few reasons we ended up in this position to begin with. The first is that we wanted to set the high sec LP offers for these ships above normal pirate faction LP prices. This still stands and the reason is very simple; you should get a better deal for pirate faction ships when you take the risk of leaving high sec. The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets. That means the ISK conversion on ships like the Nestor would never be worthwhile as long as demand for probe launchers was higher, which will likely always be the case. Last, we could have tried to make the Nestor powerful enough to justify the huge price-tag. We really didn't want to go with this option and create a ship basically in a class of its own which would cause a lot of balance headaches. So, here's what we're going to do: starting in the next major Rubicon patch (which I don't have a date for, but is not very far off), Rogue Drones will start occasionally dropping nexus chips which you will be able to trade in at any Sisters of EVE agent for a one-run BPC of either a Nestor, Stratios or Astero. The chips will be called Rogue Drone 46-X Nexus Chip, Rogue Drone 43-X Nexus Chip and Rogue Drone 42-X Nexus Chip respectively, and they will drop at a very similar rate to other pirate faction BPC drops in null sec. This should provide a nice pressure valve for the prices on Sisters of EVE ships and also give a little boost to the drone regions, two things we are happy about. Have fun out there and take care of all those new people this weekend 
This is excellent, as Rogue Drones sites spawn all over space already. OMG why didn't i think of that?
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:38:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote: The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets.
One more thing (I think related to your announcement). Are their any thoughts of increasing the LP costs of those items to match the ships. It now strikes me as odd that you pay more for a Sister's ship in high sec than in null but the probes, probe launchers and implant sets cost the same. I think that would be more balanced and in line with the "available in high sec, but more profitable tio aquire outside of high sec" theme you guys introduced with the ships. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:38:00 -
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Steph Livingston wrote:Another option that I'd like to see is: Have each cosmic anomaly/site have a very small chance of spawning a SoE ship which you can assist in a simple objective (hack a specific canister, protect it from pirates etc), or fight (if that's your thing), in exchange for loot.
It would show the SoE pursuing their goals in game and provide an alternate game-play mechanic to obtain SoE loot, seems like a Win-win to me.
That would be so cool lol. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:59:00 -
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Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:14:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work. I blame your over arrogant actual request for a nerf on something that hasn't been an issue for years & years. Not the initial change. Which I'm pretty sure will have minimal impact once panic stops.
Try again, and English this time. ie WTF are you smoking this time?
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:40:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.
I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships. The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered. You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions. Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable. That flies completely in the face of the ethos of Eve. Stick with wrecking ships and Rapid Launchers. You understanding of Eve economics is just plain wrong.
You have issues with reality. The Rogue Drones sites aren't going to drop probes, probe launchers, or virtue implants. The Ships fluffed up Sisters Lp values and this addition does nothing to change this at all. It just means the ships will end up being cheaper.
I remember you telling me that you were doing Sisters missions in your Paladin for Stratios BPCs. It's eye openning to see how you react to a change that is good for the game (by making Sister's ships more affordable to the masses) but bad for your personal wallet. You're reaction is very CARTELish in nature. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:45:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered. You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions. Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.
CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away. I didn't see you complaining when they added SOE level 4 agents to hisec. Those agents are the REAL reason the value will plummet. Also, SOE LP will be fine, as it was ALREADY very valuable prior to the introduction of the SOE ships. This is primarily a nerf to ebil nullsec pure blind cartel goon mission runners.
Well said. it means that people like me (who don't live anywhere near pure blind) have a reason to do the random rogue drone anomalies that pop up from time to time in our non-drone regions. But yea it is a nerf to Pure Blind mission runners because most of them were taking advantage of the cheaper LP costs for the ships.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:13:00 -
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I swear, some of you people are so out of touch that CCP could mail you a check for one million dollars and you'd ***** that it wasn't one million and one dollars lol.
The Nestor itself is a separate concern and this thing CCP is doing with drone sites is a BUFF to everyone because drone sites spawn everywhere. Get over it. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:48:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I swear, some of you people are so out of touch that CCP could mail you a check for one million dollars and you'd ***** that it wasn't one million and one dollars lol.
The Nestor itself is a separate concern and this thing CCP is doing with drone sites is a BUFF to everyone because drone sites spawn everywhere. Get over it. Yes buff drone sites with a ship that, for the most part, nobody wants and the Astero and Stration are already accessible enough from the SOE LP stores. Rather than actually make faction drone mods to buff drone sites with.
You're stating a preference. None of that has anything to do with what CCP is doing here.
The other pirate ships are available via drops in plexes. CCP is making the SOE ships available via drops. It does not matter that these ships are available in empire. It does not matter that the Nestro Sucks (it does) or that Rogue Drones need more things to drop (they do). This is a good thing they are doing, it makes drone regions better, it gives people all over EVE space a reason to do the random drone anomalies and plexes that pop up and it gives another source of SOE ships for ship builders.
Lastly I don't know why you think whining is going to help here. Have anyone of you ever seen CCP, Rise, Fozzie or anyone else respond positively to whining? |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.02.24 13:39:00 -
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As far as the Nestor is concerned, seeing how underwhelming the thing is (and seeing how they didn't want to make something powerful enough to justify it's price) I'm now of the opinion that CCP would have been better advised to not waste time on introducing it in the 1st place. The Stratios and Astero are great, but even if it were the same price as a Rattlesnake, the Nestor just isn't worth it. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:20:00 -
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Eve's Supplier wrote:CCP Rise wrote: the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships. I'm calling bullshit. Value of ships goes down, making them even less desirable to put LP into. More LP into probe launchers and implants, increasing supply for a static demand. Value of launchers and implants goes down, driving down LP:ISK value.
To bad that hasn't happened in the last 7 years. Ships with the probes and probe launchers and clones with the implants die every day keeping the demand high. It doesn't matter that the value of the ships went down some, they are STILL an LP sink that (along with perpetually high demand for exploration gear) insulate said gear from losing value. And then there is the factor that the astero and Startios are more accessible to newer player than tech2 exploration ships, which means that even though the price is reasonable demand will remain high as long as EVe gets any new players at all.
I've literally been selling Sisters probes for 7 years and I've never ever made as much is as i have since the intro of the SOE ships. Removing the ships completely form the LP store would be the only thing that would bring the value of the non-ship items back down to what they were, which would make those items still be more profitable than anything else you could get in high sec.
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